I thought I would attach the following link which shows the ridiculous process you must follow to move in or move out of Mesa Terrace. https://mesaterracehoa.com/info/Move%20in%20Move%20Out%20Form.pdf
As you will notice, everything comes with a fee at Mesa Terrace and every fee goes back to Scott Gordon consulting. He has basically fooled these inexperienced HOA board members into allowing him to handle every little detail and function of the HOA. Actions that should be voluntary are handled by Scott and his company. He then bills for each action. The board should be non-profit and all activity should be voluntary. Any fees assessed by the board should go directly to the board reserves. Instead they make Scott rich while the board is negative.
As of last month, the reserves fell by $4K and the board of directors sit back and watch it.
Stay away from anything having to do with Scott Gordon. He is sneaky and highly litigious.
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I want to thank the person who has set up this blog. Scott Gordon is out of control and no one is doing anything to stop him. I'm currently in the process of filing a complaint with the State Attorney General. I recommend every file a complaint. http://www.azag.gov/victims_rights/ComplaintForm/complaintform.html
ReplyDeleteI've spoken to the Mesa Police and they have begun to compile a file. They can not believe how ridiculous the complaints have been. They have more important things to deal with. I also suggest we call “3 on your side” to intervene. I would love nothing but to have Scott and his cast of misfits removed and a new team in place that actually care about the homeowners and maintaining the value of our property. Scott is not a homeowner so his only motivation is to make money from us. Sounds like a conflict of interest. Please get involved...let’s do what’s right!
This is a great place to live! the only people that complain are people that dont pay their dues! pay your dues and you would never be bothered. this place has cleaned up a lot over the years.
ReplyDeleteThis is the worst place to live DO NOT LIVE HERE!!! the person named scott gordon harassed my sister and stole stuff from us. If you don't want to have children living there you should make it clear. All you want is money and the only way to get it is giving people fines. Please save your money and go somewhere else if you can. I believe he gets a sick pleasure by giving people fines.
DeleteAnd speaking of getting invloved?? hve you run for the board?? most likely not! why dont YOU get involved, and go to meetings?
ReplyDeleteAlso the 4k loss can be seen because of owners not paying their hoa dues
ReplyDeleteBecause of the fees, we can't catch up
DeleteI never knew how much this would make my night. I just told my husband that the only person on earth that I hate would have to be Scott Gordon. He is a mean mean man. I definitely would have to agree that he is only in it for his gain. He has fined us multiple times for rediculous things, that could have come with a warning. I think he is power hungry, and thinks because he is President of the board he owns the place. I will definitely be moving out of this place as soon as possible. I would really love living here if it wasn't for him and all of his restrictions. As for the previous comment, it is correct, as long as you don't want to do any repairs/ improvements/ anything to your condo, you will have a happy life at mesa terrace. As soon as you want something done, good lucky dealing with Scott. He really could care less. We need people on the board that actually care about this community.
ReplyDeleteThis is puzzling to say the least. The negative comments here lead someone to believe Scott is in control of the place. Last time I checked there were 5 board members making the decisions. The Board spends hours listening to Homeowners. I have been at the meetings and most if not all Homeowners present agree with the procedures put into place by the Board.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the other poster, come to a Board Meeting and see what goes on. Scott is simply the go between, he is not the person in charge making decisions. If you can't come to a meeting, read the meeting minutes they are very detailed.
If you don't like what the Board is doing, voice your opinion at a meeting or better yet run for the Board. I remember what the community looked like 2 years ago before the Board began enforcing rules and I much prefer the current community rather then the old community.
Since Scott's company got involved Homeowners have access to everything online and we actually know what is going on. If the water is being turned off I get a text page. If I want to view the meeting minutes or the financials I simply login to the homeowners portal.
Yes the rules are strict but that is what the Homeowners wanted. Were you at the annual meeting? I was, Scott specifically asked each person at the meeting if they were in favor of the current rules the Board had compiled or if they wanted to go back to no rules. There was not 1 homeowner present who stated they were not in favor of the current rules which the Board (not Scott) voted on.
Just my 2 cents....
You must be getting a kick back from the board or have your your head up your ass and cant see what this asshole has done to Mesa Terrace.
DeleteLol, you are right about him, he will start yelling at you like if you were a child. ... good luck if you are a tenant, since will not be dealing with owner but with Scott.
DeleteCan anyone post the names and contact details of the board members? Phone number listed on the website is answered by Scott and assessment payments go to his software consulting company in Illinois. What is that about?
ReplyDeleteI wish
DeleteThere may be light at the end of the tunnel. Mr. Gordon just tangled with a powerful and influencial family in Mesa. This is going to be fun to watch!
ReplyDeleteReally do tell
DeleteYes please, we need help its so bad here.
DeleteAny good news yet?
DeleteThe folks saying scott made things better have got be joking or are members of the board. I have been to meetings. The board members have no clue what their role is and allows scott to advise them on everything. There must be something wrong with the situation. In my experience, when something seems wrong, it usually is. I dont know what the board members get for being on the board, but for one this is supposed to voluntary meaning you volunteer your time. You dont outsource everything to a consulting company and claim to be a board member. Funny thing is HOA members have been sued in the past for failing to uphold the interests of the owners. You have an obligation to do whats right. I agree that rules are necessary, but have you been to this community lately? I have. It is so ridiculously sterile and there are so many signs everywhere, that nobody in their right mind will buy your place. These places are listed for $40-$50K. There is no way they will get better. Any potential buyer will wan to review the last 6 months of meeting notes and the hoa financials. They will see that the hoa is weak, offers really no owner benefit, has too many rules, and are constanting fining people. Also, Scott loves to park his car in the reserve for movers space when he visits and patrols the complex. If anyone else did this, would it be ok? If the next time I show up to visit, can I park there? I doubt it. So why can scott?
ReplyDeleteAlso, Scott Gordon bills for everything he does. When he fines an owner, he charges a service fee. So if there is truly a violation then the HOA should get the entire fine, not some fine fees that have been reduced to pay for the consulting firm. If we had a real management company, like we did in 2005, then they would handle all of this paperwork for a flat fee - not on a per page per invoice commission charge - which is exactly what it is.
Bottom line is the HOA board is weak and have very little knowledge of what to do, so they rely on scott for everything. In the meantime scott has built a business around this. He is the only company you can use to rent your place. Even if you decide to go outside to another vendor, you cant post signs like he does. And he wont talk to the manager unless he charges you a fee. No matter what it is. Renting your place, selling your place, improving your place, violations, inspections, patrolling, communications, text messages, the web hosting, everything. - is being billed when these are supposed to volunteer hours by volunteer hoa members. The hoa board are the only clowns on this blog that would say scott has been beneficial. He had value at a time when the place was a mess, but it has gone too far. It is time to have a place to live. You cant live there. I wouldnt. I cant expect anyone else to either. Mesa terrace is one of multiple investment properties i have and the only one i have difficulty renting. The only one with a hoa board president like scott. The only one with 21 pages of rules.
Property values have dropped everywhere, but these places have a portion of decrease due to the economy and a portion of decrease associated with scott gordon and the board. They have pulled every bit of value from this place. The board has sat around watching helplessly while scott has drained the financials and sucked the value out of these homes.
Looking forward to the day that they get sued. Someone somewhere will wise up. For now at $40K, it is worth less than my car, so I wont bother. Someday though....someone will make a stand....
If there is nothing wrong...then why did Scott have a news crew removed from the property? You board clowns are rediculous...and that is why nobody shows up to meetings...someone mentioned homeowners at a recent meeting??? How many 1 - 2..... People stopped going because they were not being heard and were being treated poorly....
The person who posted the 11/29 post, would you mind getting involved? At least give some ideas on what our we can do to get our community back.
ReplyDeleteI’m compiling a list a list of legitimate issues that people have been given a violation for. If you have been harassed, outrageously fined or had your CAR TOWED, I want to talk to you! Please email mesaterraceunite@yahoo.com
ReplyDeleteLet’s join together and get this place turned around!
I hate this place, but I rather stay here than give him my place, plus all these fines add up , so he revokes your rights to vote so it does no good to go to the meetings cause your voice dont count but his counts for 9 ot 10 votes, hate this place
DeleteThat is exactly what happened to me
DeleteI will probably be losing yet another tenant due to Scott Gordon. The problem with these units is they are worth about $40K. Who really wants to through more good money after bad by litigating against the board members or Scott? These places sold for $90-112K and are now worth about 30% of that. You cant rent them because no renter will want to live under these rules when they can rent somewhere else where there is a leasing office etc. So you rent them far below market or let them sit. You cant sell them because the tenant to owner ratio is too high and FHA wont insure these loans. So if you have someone who has 10% down etc then maybe but they would also need to deal with all this crap. Additionally, any smart homeowner will ask for hoa meeting minutes and financials. When they see the lack of resident attendance at meetings or the lack of capital supporting this hoa, or the failure to listen to residence (EX no fees ever get waived) then they will bail. Lastly they can always come across this website and see further that this place is a mess. My most recent tenant will bail which means I will need to invest yet again in new carpet, paint, etc. and risk trying this all over. Best case is to walk from this crap. Turn the keys over to the bank and let them know why. Maybe the bank will see one too many complaints and try to do something. Or maybe not.
ReplyDeleteThis is from the rules dated 04/15/09
Attention Investors: If the $100 option is selected, this process will greatly enhance your tenant(s)
experience ensuring they are aware of the Rules and Regulations relating to parking, keys, recreational
passes, AND should prevent you from receiving any fines relating to the move in/move out process.
Maybe if I paid this or engaged Scotts renter service my tenant would be having a better experience.
You need this. Get one for you and one for your neighbor.
ReplyDeletehttp://myhoasucks.com/
Hello:
ReplyDeleteIt is unfortunate as someone else noted that these comments are very 1 sided and a few Homeowners continue to make it hard for everyone else.
Financials:
If you are truly a Homeowner AND read the minutes, you will note from the Financial Review that this HOA is NOT in a hardship compared to other HOA's in the area. The HOA has a substantial amount of cash on-hand compared to other HOA's. It is unfortunate that so many Homeowners bought with short term low financing and when the rates went up, the rents did not cover the mortgage, HOA and other expenses which caused many properties to revert back to the bank. Although a group of Homeowners continue to blame the Board, this is not the Board’s fault. The banks foreclosed on these units not the Board. HOWEVER, while this was happening, those paying their monthly HOA fees were responsible for paying ALL the bills which resulted in the assessment being raised.
Towing:
This topic is reviewed on a regular basis. A few people complain but never provide any better suggestions.
Why is the towing a hot topic? This is due to those using the parking lot having no respect for their neighbors OR due to non-payment issues OR no parking permit.
IF a vehicle is not parked within a parking space (meaning taking up 2 parking spaces) then yes it is towed. Vehicle owners should be able to park their vehicle within the parking spot. If this is not possible, that person should be contacting the Board for assistance. Instead people pull into the lot with no regard to others and on a regular basis take up 2 parking spaces. Those that complain about this rule at a meeting or via an email to the Board are asked how do you believe the issue(s) should be handled. If the resident of the unit comes home and cannot use their parking space there are 3 options. 1) The vehicle blocking the parking spot is towed, 2) We have to register all vehicles so we can contact the owner(s), 3) we tell the resident they have to find another parking space or park on the street. When it is YOUR spot being blocked, everyone chooses #1. When it is their vehicle that is towed they are upset and want #3.
Yes, there is a rule that if you are behind in your HOA fees and not paying the HOA, the HOA will suspend your parking privileges. This is permitted per the CC&Rs. Tenants are towed and get mad at the HOA instead of getting mad at their landlord who is not paying the HOA. This rule was implemented to increase collection efforts and has worked. Landlords cannot rent their unit(s) if their tenants are not able to use the parking lot, pool, fitness center, etc. In the past there were many landlords collecting rent and not paying their mortgage or HOA just waiting for the foreclosure to take place.
There is another rule that states you must have a parking permit for your 2nd vehicle between 12AM and 6AM daily. Every unit has 1 assigned covered spot. This rule was implemented as vehicles were being stored in the lot, and visitors were taking up all of the parking spaces and those that lived at the community were not able to park. This rule helps to ensure that a small group of units are not occupying all of the parking spaces.
So when it comes to towing, if you are kind to your neighbors and park in 1 parking space (not 2), pay your bills, AND ensure your visitors know that between 12AM and 6AM a parking permit must be displayed, your vehicle shouldn’t get towed assuming it is licensed properly with the state.
Scott, you a moron, a creep, a thief, a one sided in your face filling your pockets. you need to be investigated for conflict of interest, you run the entire show there at the condos. I short sale my unit because of your bullying and illegal tantics. All your court issues dating back from your home town is not a good reflection on your business ethics, and its all public record along with the issues you had with Rossmar & Graham, surprised?
DeleteObviously you must be right he hasn't replied in 1 year lol snakes on the board at Mesa Terrace
DeleteRentals:
ReplyDeleteThe community is mostly made up of rental units. This is not the Board’s fault but is now the Board’s challenge. While this is a condo community, it has all of the characteristics of an apartment community. For those that do live at the community, they did not buy into this property thinking it was going to be viewed as an apartment community. The rules have been put into place to keep the community looking clean. Unfortunately many investors believe their investment can be on auto-pilot and simply just move new tenant(s) in without any explanation of the rules. For those that spend the time to explain the rules to their tenant(s) OR as someone mentioned hire a service to review and document the rules, those investors see far less issues. Investors and tenant(s) regularly compliment the Board for the rules and keeping the community looking clean even with the high rental occupancy and yes there are those that are upset with the rules as well. Those individuals never attend a meeting just write an email to the Board and in my opinion do not care and/or understand why the rules are there UNTIL it is in their best interest. When they have a tenant complaining about an issue with another unit the same investors are the 1st to want to know what the Board is going to do about the offender.
The Board realized the rental related challenges awhile ago and that is why a marketing program was put in place for those interested. It is NOT a requirement. Every investor is permitted to put 1 sign in their unit. There are a few signs throughout the community that direct those interested to 1 phone #, 1 website, and 1 text response system. Investors have the opportunity to participate in that marketing program for $25 per month. For that fee their unit with description, etc. is listed on the website and texting system. When a prospect calls in their information is captured and sent via email to all investors whom are participating in the program. IF the investor has chosen the full marketing program, a licensed realtor is engaged to go through the rental process with that prospect including generating the lease, move-in process, etc. Investors are NOT required to participate in the marketing program(s) it is there as a convenience. Nobody is stopping Investors from paying to advertise on rental websites, posting to craigslist, putting their own sign in the window, running newspaper ads, etc.
It is true that investors are not permitted to put their own sign(s) in front of the community. This was voted on by the Homeowners at I believe an annual meeting where it was agreed that the community should not have 10 plus signs in front of the community.
Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteIt is unfortunate 1 or more people wish to remain anonymous in their postings instead of identifying themselves and working with the Board. The Board spends a great deal of time at the meetings listening and responding to all comments. It is understood that many of the Investors are out of state and therefore cannot make a meeting. At the same time it is not the Board’s responsibility to make themselves available to each investor individually by phone outside of a Board Meeting. Investors are Homeowners and are welcome to attend meetings and even run for the Board.
In the past surveys have been sent out relating to spending HOA funds to setup online meetings and the majority responded stating do not spend the money. While a few investors have said it is easy and inexpensive, none of those individuals are interested in coming on-site prior to a meeting, providing a computer with camera, and coordinating the on-line meeting.
Investors:
An investor mailing list was setup to allow investors to share ideas and comments. This list was setup by me (Scott Gordon) and paid for by SGC (not the HOA) as I wanted to hear from investors that could not attend the meetings. I have no problems hearing a complaint as long as there is an idea to go with it. Unfortunately all I receive is I don’t like this, this is out of control, etc. but never a solution to go along with it.
Truly the end goal is a nice looking community where Homeowners pay their HOA assessment and everyone is happy. I am confident if you attended a meeting you would see that the Board is working in the best interest of the majority of the community. If you have an idea please email it to board@mesaterracehoa.com
Thank you for your time.
Scott Gordon
Scott ppl will remain anonymous because you tend to bully them. And when ppl request for any documentation you prolong the process and charge a fee which you then have been lining the inside of your pockets for 10 years.
DeleteThat's true, you start yelling at people and threatening tenants
DeleteScott you are & will always be a controlling bitch who's always on his period
DeleteAnonymous:
ReplyDeleteIt is unfortunate 1 or more people wish to remain anonymous in their postings instead of identifying themselves and working with the Board. The Board spends a great deal of time at the meetings listening and responding to all comments. It is understood that many of the Investors are out of state and therefore cannot make a meeting. At the same time it is not the Board’s responsibility to make themselves available to each investor individually by phone outside of a Board Meeting. Investors are Homeowners and are welcome to attend meetings and even run for the Board.
In the past surveys have been sent out relating to spending HOA funds to setup online meetings and the majority responded stating do not spend the money. While a few investors have said it is easy and inexpensive, none of those individuals are interested in coming on-site prior to a meeting, providing a computer with camera, and coordinating the on-line meeting.
Investors:
An investor mailing list was setup to allow investors to share ideas and comments. This list was setup by me (Scott Gordon) and paid for by SGC (not the HOA) as I wanted to hear from investors that could not attend the meetings. I have no problems hearing a complaint as long as there is an idea to go with it. Unfortunately all I receive is I don’t like this, this is out of control, etc. but never a solution to go along with it.
Truly the end goal is a nice looking community where Homeowners pay their HOA assessment and everyone is happy. I am confident if you attended a meeting you would see that the Board is working in the best interest of the majority of the community. If you have an idea please email it to board@mesaterracehoa.com
Thank you for your time.
Scott Gordon
Scott Gordon here I am my name is Laura and I was an owner, I can’t believe you’re not in prison and these owners are still dealing with your bullshit!
DeleteInteresting site - the good is this is unfiltered commentary, unlike the filtered commentary from the investor mailing list mentioned here. The bad - any prospective buyer/renter can view these comments.
ReplyDeleteThe property had an independent management company prior to Scott Gordon. The cost was around 1200 per month. I understand they didnt do a great job, but I dont see this meaning we need to have Scott operating on a commission basis in addition to his base fees. Scott receives $15 per violation he mails and $15 per every late invoice. Additionally, he bills various dollar amounts for his personal time spent on site.
We dont need nor want a property manager who is incentivized to invoice you. We need one who is on a base monthly payment with a contract outlining expectations. Bottom line. Nothing to argue.
Scott mentioned he receives positive feedback from folks at the meetings. If you look at the meeting minutes there are few residents attending. Many times it is the board alone.
Maybe Scott can tell us how much he earned consulting for our fair community. He writes as if he has been a volunteer all these years.
I a prior unit owner attended these meeting and I was the only owner the rest being the board and Scott had the last say so, even if the board president made a comment it was up to Scott to have a say. I sold my unit in a short sale just to get the hell out of there.
DeleteIs there a contract in place between Scott and the HOA? Are there minimum expectations? Certain time spent on site, certain number of improvements? Is there a price list? Maybe since SGC is such a large expense and influence on the property and living conditions, the HOA can post this contract online so we can see the fees.......
ReplyDeleteOne last question - why does Scott park his car in the reserved parking intended for moving trucks. The rules say you must reserve this parking space otherwise there is a fine or tow. Scott - do you reserve this? Do you pay the fees associated with reserving it? What makes you think you have the right to park there and bend the rules while everyone else is expected to abide?
I have pictures of his car parked there, and called the towing company they never did anything against him.
DeleteI would like a copy of the picture please.
DeleteAs I was towed for touching the end space line.
Could you post it somewhere? Meet to get a copy?
Thanks
Sounds very Typical of SCOTT and his childish ways
DeleteIt would be nice if we could have communication and trust in the community so we didnt need a site like this bringing down our values.
ReplyDeleteA truly ethical HOA has board members that are above reproach. There should be no assumption or even close possibility of a conflict of interest. Scott made himself a vendor while acting as the president of the HOA. At no time should an HOA board member create a scenario in which they personally profit. Normally this is a concern when the BOD hires suppliers, an unusual case when the board member becomes the supplier.
ReplyDelete"Fiduciary duty" is used often in describing the responsibilities for actions of board members. The term basically means that the board has responsibility for managing someone's money or assets. It relates to protecting those assets and imparts a special responsibility upon the person who is the "fiduciary." The term is generally used in a legal context and any board member and the entire board can be sued for what is commonly called "breach of fiduciary duty," which typically means failure in their responsibility for properly managing the association's assets. Like any other human being or entity, a board member can be sued for actions taken or not taken while serving on a board of directors of a homeowners association.
Lastly, a budget has to go out each year to the membership in a certain specified time period, including the reserve study information, or a summary of it. The association must disclose this information to the owners through a mailing each year, along with other information, including a collections policy, alternative dispute resolution (ADR), procedures under the law, information about where to obtain the minutes of the association, and specific information about insurance carried by the association.
Wow!! He gets incentives for violations and late fees. No wonder he wanted and had the board change the date when you get a late fee. Then tried to keep it that way when the board wanted to change it back to the 15th. No wonder we have so many rules where we can't even walk down the sidewalk without asking for permission. Starting to all come into prospective....
ReplyDeleteHello:
ReplyDeleteIt is truly unfortunate that a few unhappy homeowners need to post anonymous instead of addressing their concerns with the Board and Homeowners who participate in the regular meetings. Who are you hiding from?
The Board would be happy to respond to all valid concerns. Please keep in mind the Board started with 9 members at the turn over meeting and is now down to 2 members because those that volunteered get tired of the constant complaining (similiar to these posts).
You can play a role in the community and minimize costs! Come volunteer your time and take on various tasks. There are no secrets.
If you are really concerned attend a meeting and communicate with the Board.
Thank you.
Really you moron, you are the one who drove out the good unit owners with your stupidty and self centered, filling your pockets asshole.
DeleteBitch ass snake ass Gordon
DeleteI am in amazement theses comments I am reading and guess what? He is doing the same shit here in Tucson, AZ at Campus walk condos. This is a person who does not learn from anything it seems like. This is very sad but wow evil exists
DeleteI suspect people choose to remain anonymous because Scott goes out of his way to find ways to fine people. He is vindictive and also has a financial incentive to go after people living/owning in the complex.
ReplyDeleteI would like to see how many violations his units get fined, maybe we should start taking pictures and keeping records of his violation and demand he gets fine too he will understand how we feel, and yeah I have seen him several times park in the reserve parking.
DeleteThere is a board meeting tomorrow at 8:45 at the fitness center. Why so late? Probably nobody wants to go there because it is too late.
ReplyDeleteI will be there and I urge people to join me at 8pm by the pool so we can talk about it first. I will contact every owner and i will start a process of change. People lives in fear in that complex I have talked to may people already and i always get the same answer. Camera are everywhere i will research to make sure it is legal.
See you tomorrow
I suggest you read every work very carefully of the governing documents. I would be shocked if it allowed an owner to hold a board positions with a conflict of interest, a non-owner to hold a board position, or for a board member to get paid for being a board member.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, sounds like this so called consultant is just as inexperienced as the board members because you do not spend reserve funds on regular operating expenses. The reserve fund is to pay for the items listed in the reserve study only! You should be able to obtain a copy of the reserve study and the contract with this consultant.
Before you do anything go to the county recorder and look up the community's official name and obtain all maps, the last revision of the governing documents and read every word including the definations. You need to be armed to the teeth. Then start talking to other owners and remove the currenty board then remove the consultant.
If you run into problems getting the contracts and reserve study meet with those owners who feel the same way you do and ask them to share in the cost of having an attorney write a letter or two to obtain the information. The contract could include somethings that just might piss off alot more owners and gain the support needed to remove them all. Do not stand back and take it!
Management companies will pay the bills for the association including thier own bill. The tresurer should be approving the bills before they are paid. The money comes out of the account where the majority of the dues are deposited. The reserve fund is separate and should get a monthly deposit for a set amount found in the reserve study. Management companies charge for copies, checks, envelopes, coupons, violation letters, transfer fees, etc. There are some that are all inclusive with the fees. But, none of the management companies will pay regular monthly bills out of the reserve fund unless told to.
I read some of Scott's postings and have to say, "Oh my!" First of all as a non-owner you cannot just start an investor list that discriminates or does not include the entire ownership. It doesn't matter who paid for it. Investors are not on site nor do they live there. If they are inerested in what is going on or whatever they can read the minutes or attend the meetings.
ReplyDeleteSecond of all, I hear more people complain about someone being double parked when they aren't. If the board isn't going out to look and see if a car is truely taking up more than one spot then they probably aren't double parked. People complain if a car is parked close to the line or on the line. If thier car can still be parked into the spot and can get out then it isn't double parked. It is the people who do not know how to park thier car that complain. If there are posts for the cover in the spaces then put pads on them. This will relieve the fear of hitting the pole and resolve the illusion that the space is smaller than it really is.
Scott, your not an owner or able to be on the board so don't speak unless spoken to. The board will ask for your help when it's needed.
Lol yeah
DeleteHe is not on the Board at Campus Walk condo in Tucson, AZ but he is constantly emailing all the owners, most of who are on to the bullshit.....
DeleteI am a new owner with 2 units and purchasing more. In my opinion everything that happens at Mesa Terrace is about lining the pockets of someone. It may or may not be Scott Gordon but he is the most likely person based on what I have both observed and heard. Does anyone know if SG...my pet name is Nazi and since he appears to be Jewish it is a bigger joke for me....own any units at Mesa Terrace? If he does not own units and does not control a majority of the vote then to remove him is a simple thing.
ReplyDeleteI am pissed. I own condos all over Mesa and nowhere do I have the level of issues I have at Mesa Terrace. Frankly I am pissed. I recommend you move if you are a renter or sell if you are an owner. Unless something happens in the next few days I will be employing tactics which will alienate the tenants and bring down the value of the units. I do have the resources and contacts to make Mesa Terrace a very uncomfortable place to live.
Any tenants looking for a place to go I will have openings at other complexes in Mesa.
Any owners looking to sell I will pay $28k.
If the HOA rules are re-written to be in line with other complexes and if the person who identifies the offenses is gone I will place reasonable tenants in my units.
I own units 211 and 230 and have offers on 3 more units.
I know you guys will be mad but I am probably gonna sell mine for $100, I don't care any more just wanna dump this place on someone else.
DeleteDid you guys know Scott gordon has had this planned since day one and is probably in line with original sellers? Not only was he president and hired his own company to consult but somehow, he was the who created the boards LLC. He is listed on the articles or incorporation as the "director". you can look it up on the az corp commission website.
ReplyDeleteSo he made the board, then made himself president, then fired management company in favor of his own and now lines his pockets. Conflict is right but the board members dont seem to care. We sold ours a few years ago and guess who bought it? thats right Scott did and for 1/4 what we paid.
Maybe Scott wants values down so he can rebuy for less and then sell them again once he owns them all.
I will relay this information the owners of Campus walks condos in Tucson, AZ. Where Scott is an owner and siring up all kinds of BS. Thank you
DeleteI was personally at a board meeting when a resident was disputing a fine. The board member actually stated he knew scott longer and believed him. Sound unbiased? Sound like he was representing the home owner or installed in the position by Scott? Who counted the votes? An unbiased 3rd party? i doubt it.
ReplyDeleteBoard members beware. You have a fiduciary duty to represent owners of mesa terrace and can be held personally liable for failing to do that.
I wish this page were more active. I also wish I had found it before purchasing. We own condos around the valley and have never seen anything like this association. The people running it/Scott? have created such a negative culture in this community. I feel bad for investor/owners but I feel even worse for renters that have to live there and check to make sure their tires are not touching the lines every time they park. If you were lucky enough to read this before renting or buying please pass on whatever deal you think you have. Add hundreds of dollars in made up fines if you rent and thousands in fines if you buy. You will not be able to avoid them because they made the rules and rely on the fines for income.
ReplyDeleteI am now aware of this. Wish I would have known what I was getting into before deciding to rent here in September of last year. Garbage disposal went out 2 weeks into our tenure and Scott informed my husband that we'd need to fix it or he would at our expense. Not to mention we had to move in from the street and use shopping carts and dollies to transport our items a half block to the back of the complex. Never had to do that at any other rental property.
DeleteI feel like this is jail; do my time then move on with my life. My family was looking forward to rebuilding here after losing our home due to medical issues but not so much. Looking forward to the $100 fine I will likely pay due to a furniture delivery. Scott wants to charge the delivery company but I don't think it's fair. 7.5 months to go...
I too was a property owner at Mesa Terrace, had to short sale my unit all because of Scott Gordon and his Nazi Croonies. Yes I have been at board meetings and I'll tell you, i work for a management company and board meetings do not take 4-5 hours. The secretary and Scott go over the same subject till it is solved, they do not rough draft meeting notes and YES Scott does have the last say in these meetings and who gets selected as vendors and did you know when WI-FI was installed it was his company SBBA in Illinois that did the work? Also that he also does the Scott Gordon Consulting and also is the property management company who you pay your assessments to in Illinois! As well, he offers his services to rent the units out when the owners are only investers he'll step in as rental property manager. so FEES HE COLLECTS are 1) assessment fees 2) Scott Gordon Consulting 3) SBBA (wi-fi services) 4) rental property manager. I'm glad i have since moved on but I took a hard it on my property, good luck to you all in Mesa Terrace.
ReplyDeleteI think its time for owners at the Mesa Terrace need to stand up and protect their units, I owned a unit last year but had to short sale because of that Scott Gordon and his goons. He needs to be ousted for conflict of interest, and bulling the tenants and owners. He does own units there and SBBA is his personal company in Illinois where the HOA assessments are mailed to and the consulting company who the HOA board hire is also his company and the HOA also pays for consulting and the Wi-Fi is also run by his company SBBA that everyone pays to and also gets paid by unit owners it they list their units for rental he gets paid a fee as well, he is lining his pockets and needs to be investigated. Yes Scott you are a thief and crook and I hope some day you are caught.
ReplyDeletePlease let me know if your still pursuing this as an option
DeleteScott Gordon had a beef going on with the previous property mgmt. company called Rossmar & Graham they were at odds and Scott made it a point to oust Rossmar & Graham so he can get his creepy hands on Mesa Terrace. He also has a track record of bullying people, back in Illionis he had problems with the builder of his home, its all public information on the internet, take a look its all there to see. Scott is a moron and I feel sorry for all the homeowners of Mesa Terrace they either sell, short sale or get dinged violation fees from their tenants because of Scott the moron. at one time I owned #117, I'm sure glad I'm outta there.
ReplyDeleteGestapo Scott has vested interest in these condos and is still allowed to levie fines at his discretion without due process. This is a total conflict of interest.
ReplyDeleteI have attended multiple meetings and asked many questions. Based on the comments here I assumed going into the meetings that I would be sent out the door packing in seconds but my experience on multiple occasions was completely different. The Board (not Scott) addressed my questions and explained to me the issues. I was asked if I had a better idea and although I did not like the policy I didn't have a better answer either.
ReplyDeleteI have been on both sides of the parking issue. In 1 case my tenant was towed for being over the lines and 2 weeks later someone was parked in my tenant's space and the HOA promptly dealt with the situation so that my tenant could park. After seeing it from both sides and speaking with the Board I could not provide the Board with a better policy. Yes they tow vehicles but at the same time when I saw pictures from both of the violations relating to my tenant the vehicle was clearly over the line and blocking the next parking space. of course my tenant was upset the 1st time but very happy with the policy the 2nd time.
From what I understand it is a small percentage of homeowners that complain regularly and those are probably the same people posting here. The homeowners I met at the meeting and not including the Board were happy with how the hoa was being run overall. There were some complaints and Scott himself stopped the meeting and asked specifically for that person to explain to the Board how to fix it. There was no good answer at which point 1 of the board members stated we have spent numerous hours and meetings reviewing this policy and we always come back to the same place where nobody can provide a better option.
Over the last 2 years I have seen multiple improvements in the grounds and features.
When I asked the Board why do certain homeowners have so many issues I was told there are some homeowners who believe the hoa should take care of everything and there should be no rules until they want assistance on something. Multiple examples were cited and to be very honest after hearing how lazy some of these homeowners the board really doesn't have many options.
At 1 meeting I attended a tenant showed up requesting assistance. The tenant was not given a parking pass or given any of the rules at move in and was upset with the HOA. Another homeowner commented why are you upset with the HOA if your homeowner did not provide the information to you. The tenant responded their homeowner told them this is Scott's fault and they cannot assist them. Seriously the HOA is at no fault that the homeowner provided the keys and left without going through any of the policies. The Board added this happens all the time with the small group of Homeowners who are upset.
At the end of the day this hoa has a lot of rules but it is clean safe and has a lot of amenities too. The internet stuff they did last year has allowed me to charge another $35 per month for rent.
For the record I'm not fond of the large rule book but after attending a few meetings I understand the process and recommend everyone else out here attend a meeting too and ask your questions.
I moved out . Rented for a year and called him out on his BS I had to go as far as getting mpd to serve a search warrant to retrieve security footage that he wanted to charge me for . I have a lot of stuff that I am more then willing to share with anyone . Just email me bretrogers51@yahoo.com. I moved out 20 days early and maintained electricity in the unit just for Scott Gordon to refuse returning my mpower box he towed my vehicle and has yet to return my deposit . I can't even get a response for the faxes I have sent with forwarding address .
ReplyDeleteScott@gordon.bz is the dickhead personal email. Now let me start off by saying I am STILL CURRENTLY A HOMEOWNER & I despise Scott as a person he is rude, demanding & reminds me of a short version of Hitler the way he acts as if Mesa Terrace is his (he only owns a few units). Just looking at him or speaking with him makes me want to do a short sale especially when I contact him about my tenants concerns he acts as if he's super busy he also have part time workers that's as rude & anal as him.
ReplyDeleteNow all personal feelings aside I must give the bastard credit because since he has been snaking the H.O.A & residents for his personal profit the community as a whole has improved it's more cleaner then any of my other properties I own but also more drama. I'm literally not making any money for my 3 units I own because with tenant turnover due to all the rules makes it hard to retain good tenants.
So in my opinion I say Scott is the devil but he has implemented a system that works well to some degree if he would only listen to tenants that actually live on property then he would understand the rules can stay most people like them but they will need to be revised with a 2015 version.
Hopefully I helped someone out with my perspective.
I bet the fines are through the roof right now!! Old Scott Gordon needs some money. His house is being foreclosed on. I am sure he will be just fine and pay his way out of it thanks to the fines from Mesa Terrace. While residents live under an impossible set of rules at the Terrace, he lives in a half million dollar home in Scottsdale.
ReplyDeleteTrustee Sale Number
AZ-14-647940-AB
Auction Date
03/26/2015 10:00 AM
Location
Court House
Last Updated
02/23/2015 05:11 PM
Opening Bid
Estimated Value
Estimated Percent Gain
%
Mortgage Amount
$341,500
Recorder
Original Owner
SCOTT GORDON
Deed of Trust
01/25/2006
DT Document #
20060108423
Notice Date
12/19/2014
Notice Document #
20140833626
Buyers and Tenants BEWARE. In fact run the other direction. We were original owners, had a amazing tenant, after 5 years they moved out, and we tried to make improvements INSIDE our own downstairs unit, new carpet paint etc. Well the fines by SCOTT GORDON started to pile up. Why in the hell should we have to have new, expensive carpet approved . IT WAS OUR PROPERTY. Why can't our workers park in our spot. So we tried to sell. Immediate cash offer, also a lower offer by ....SCOTT GORDON himself. We rejected his offer, What a shocker, he made it so difficult to sell, and when our buyer finally received the HOA provided CCR"S, after he read them, he backed out (the day before we were supposed to close) We hired a very renowned, prominent attorney. As soon as he heard Mesa Terrace and Scott Gordon, he just went silent, and then proceeded to let us know that Scott Gordon was literally REVILED by attorneys in this field because of his shady, questionable, bullying, probably illegal, double dipping and lousy business dealings, as well as rumored ties with very unsavory people. He informed us of other legal actions against Scott Gordon and then gave us some very good advise which was "just sell to the BASTARD'. He did help us on a few items and we are following everything to do with SCOTT GORDON in case there is any way to do a civil or class action lawsuit against him. We have the means, and also many other people ready to jump on this. BELIEVE ME, very powerful people in the law and the Govt. are watching him for any misstep. He is SHADY and CORRUPT. But that is just our (and a few hundred others) experience and opinions. DO NOT BUY OR RENT IN MESA TERRACE.
ReplyDeleteI would like to communicate privately with any homeowner or former owner about the type of actions discussed above. I am counsel for a current owner and we have experienced very similar issues. Concerns have been raised recently that this abusive conduct is aimed at reducing selling prices at Mesa Terrace for the benefit of "management". Email me: boneheadesq@yahoo.com . Any help or information will be appreciated.
DeleteHas anyone reached out to the email above? Is it legit?
ReplyDeleteScott Gordon is a CHILD ABUSER!!!!!
ReplyDeleteIs there any truth to this...
DeleteLawsuit finally underway.
ReplyDeletePLEASE DISPLAY LAWYER AND OTHER INFO SO I CAN JOIN IN
DeleteLet me know how to join........ Mesaterraceissues@yahoo.com
DeleteIt sounds as if this person is dealing in some really ugly under the table activity, in an attempt to pocket majority of the fines that are charged. I hope the previously mentioned lawsuit goes far and that humpty dumpty is "dethroned" from his spot on the top of the wall.
ReplyDeleteMake sure to add that he is offering real estate services without a license. Some of the owners have said that he pressured them into using him to manage their properties.
ReplyDeletePlease contact me at mesaterraceissues@yahoo.com
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ReplyDeleteIf you're interested in making a change, contact me at mesaterraceissues@yahoo.com I'm interested in hearing from owners and renters ......
ReplyDeleteHe just called and harassed me and I don;t even live there...He is just an asshole!
ReplyDeletePlease send me an email at mesaterraceissues@yahoo.com.
DeleteThe legal complaint was filed by my Attorney yesterday (9/23/16). Two other lawsuits have settled over the last six months against the HOA. Those owners just wanted out and both sold their condos to Scott (or his affiliate). Scott's intention is to control 80% of the property. If that happens, he can turn it into an apartment complex and "buy out" all current owners at appraisal price. And with the way things have gone so far, my guess is that the appraisal price will be low. And no owners will have any say in what happens!
ReplyDeleteI would love to hear from everyone (owners and renters) with your experiences. Let's work together to stop this craziness.
Email me at mesaterraceissues@yahoo.com
SCOTT GORDON AND THE MESA TERRACE HOA ARE TERRORISTS.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened now?
DeleteI am an agent, I am working on transactions in the complex now. If you are an owner and wishing to sell I would love to here from you. Together we can bring all of this information, testimony and damages to the proper governing bodies and stop this insanity. If you want specific steps you can follow please contact me today at john3856@gmail.com. I am not an attorney and not offering legal advise but I can give you some direction to follow up.
ReplyDeleteWow!!! I am so glad that I found this. We were going to buy a condo here and heard some rumors about this guy doing some shady stuff but didn't realize just how bad it was!!! What a shame this is happening as we really loved one of the condos we seen...I really hope something is done to get rid of this guy!!!
ReplyDeleteSCOTT GORDON (CROOK)
ReplyDeleteHired Me to do some work in #240, paid 1/2 up front but never paid back end of payment after job was completed...Used Kaitlin as his pawn to hind himself ... wont answer phone now 480 502 9373